would there happen to be a group here who all attend the same kh?
i was just thinking how great it would be for several people to da in mass... one person per week.
every week for several weeks the elders have to get on stage and announce that so-and-so daed themselve.. this would certainly cause a lot of people at the congregation to start asking questions!
This may be some delirious wandering, but wasn't there a congregation in the US that en masse decided to leave WT, with just a handful remaining 'loyal'?
The question then arose of what to do with the KH; the majority wanted to keep it for themselves, the minority said it had to remain a KH.
From memory, it eventually went to court and the JWs won, with the help of some 'big guns' from Brooklyn.
Can't you just imagine the local newspaper headlines...
Regards,
Ken
re my post from last week.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=45220&site=3.
it would appear from responses i received, both publically and privately, that the hate email i received from j.a.
Hi xjw,
I thought your response was very restrained and thoughtful.
Did you ever receive a reply?
Regards,
Ken
i'm new to this forum.
actually i've been a lurker for awhile.
posted on sassy's call to the newbies.
Marie,
Welcome, and congrats on the new baby.
My hubby is also telling me I don't use him enough HA!
I suppose you could possibly also hint at 'post natal depresssion' if any JWs get too nosy...
But, you're still young, you're husband agrees with your feelings, you won't have the agony of watching your children grow up brainwashed--you've got so much going for you--the best is yet to come!
Regards,
Ken
if you considered going back to the hall after posting here for a while, would you hesistate telling us?
Pudd,
Actually joking aside for a minute, I still wake up in a cold sweat a night at times wondering if I am doing the right thing in leaving the truth.
Many of us are in a similar boat. WT has been such an influential part of our lives--for many, for all of their lives--that leaving is an enormous issue, and not one to be undertaken lightly. If WT's message was true, then the consequences would be calamitous. Add to that the implications of leaving WT on our personal and family lives, you're right to be concerned you're doing the right thing.
So I think one reason this board is so helpful is that it provides a form of affirmation that we really are doing the right thing. Talking to others who have felt the same doubts we have felt, who have been through the same traumas we are going through, reading their experiences and the lessons they learned from mistakes they made, is all wonderfully therapeutic. But most of all, it confirms to us that we're not alone, and this bolsters our confidence that we're doing the right thing.
Even before I joined this board, I was convinced that WT did not have The Truth: I now doubt they even have any truth at all: perhaps the best that (imho) can be said of them is that they do encourage JWs to read the Bible--even if the average member is rarely able to actually do so, so swamped as they are with all the other reading and personal study and family study and meeting preparation and field service that they are expected to do.
I hope you don't have too many disturbed nights...
Regards,
Ken
i am back from underground ... i have more to tell you than you can imagine ...
i cannot use my old screen handle for now, but we are working on that, and it will be restored as soon as simon and i can get it done.
so, simon has allowed me to create a new screen name for the time being.
Hi Jim,
Congratulations, that's a superb thing you're doing.
Regards,
Ken
all the circuit overseers in the uk have been called into bethel for a two-month-long seminar.
no doubt the us has already had theirs: has anything started leaking out yet?
ken
Hi Scotsman,
According to her friends there the C.O. seminar is 75% MTS stuff.
Even so, that's still 25%, two weeks, of new stuff...
David Carter, formerly a District Overseer, died last week.
I didn't know him well, but he seemed to be one of the 'good guys.' Was that actually the case?
Regards,
Ken
PS: I haven't been ignoring your email, I'm just home after being away for a few days, so I've still got loads of catching up to do...
you know, the last little thing that blew your patience out of the water and forced you to face up to the fact that you were in a cult that doesn't believe in the bible so much as it believes in it's own power structure?.
for me it was beards.
stupid i know and possibly the most trivial of things to be 'stumbled' over but to me it was the epitomy of what was wrong with the witnesses - arbitrary rules poking their noses into the lives of people where they had no business.
1. GB claims of divine inspiration
2. Child abuse scandals
Regards,
Ken
my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 1 .
my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 2 .
my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 3
Hi Simon,
First, I'd like to join in the chorus of thanks for this site.
May I ask what happened to the recordings you made of your 'appeal'? Were they ever of any use?
In other words, if any of us find ourselves in the same situation, is it worth the effort trying to secretly record the proceedings?
Sorry for being so nosy!
Regards,
Ken
it's been awhile since i've been on here.
due to death in the family, chicken pox in children and other nasty things.. i posted here awhile ago about things i had found the unsettled me.
i was due to have a visit from two elders and a lot of you gave me lots of help and encouragement.. well, the two elders visited and i have to admit that it was nothing like i expected.. they sat down, and told me straight away that there was nothing i could say or ask that would hurt me.
Celia,
You are spot on:
11 It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. But they have missed the point of the Bible's warnings concerning the end of this system of things, thinking that Bible chronology reveals the specific date.
Isn't it funny how history just keeps repeating itself...
?Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so? The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason .? (Watchtower 1926 8/1 232)
?Instead of its being considered a ?probability,? they read into it that it was a ?certainty,? and some prepared for their own loved ones with expectancy of their resurrection.? (1975 Yearbook of Jehovah?s Witnesses, page 146)
Regards,
Ken
it's been awhile since i've been on here.
due to death in the family, chicken pox in children and other nasty things.. i posted here awhile ago about things i had found the unsettled me.
i was due to have a visit from two elders and a lot of you gave me lots of help and encouragement.. well, the two elders visited and i have to admit that it was nothing like i expected.. they sat down, and told me straight away that there was nothing i could say or ask that would hurt me.
Hi laurelin,
First of all, I was pleased that the elders who visited you were apparently so non-judgmental. Who knws, maybe they have been having their own private doubts?
Sadly, the attitude they displayed seems to be the exception rather than the rule. (I just hope they don't, somewhere down the line, decide you can't be "helped" any further, and then form a judicial committee...)
It seems the first thing you have to get sorted out in your own mind is whether you can still accept that the Governing Body really is what they claim to be, the "faithful and discreet slave," as this is the basis of their claim to be "God's channel of communication."
Once I had satisfied myself they were neither "faithful" nor "discreet," everything else fell naturally into place. You might like to try reading Ray Franz's books, Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom.
Regards,
Ken
